RE: Downvote Wars Do not Make Hive More Attractive

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Well, there are only 37 whale accounts. The vast majority of other accounts will only rarely interact with them. Downvotes happen, sometimes seemingly randomly. Sometimes again and again (I’ve had it happen to me more than once). But usually it passes, wars sputter and die, and smaller accounts that stick around as opposed to rage-quitting tend to recover from the fallout.

Yes, whale wars can be annoying, but they’re sporadic. And downvotes are a fact of life here, for better or worse, that’s not going to change. Brutal truth: those who don’t like that fact can go to Blurt and post there.

There is no difference between being censored on Facebook or Twitter and being downvoted here for reasons that are not supposed to be personal.

I couldn't disagree with this more. Nothing is censored here, the blockchain is immutable. The content might not appear on a particular front end, but it remains on the blockchain. And "not supposed to be personal" appears nowhere in the Hive blockchain's code. People can and do apply stake-based votes as they see fit. Sure, there may be social pressures one way or another. But how people are "supposed" to vote here is not carved in stone, or explicit in the software.



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Hi, @preparedwombat
Thanks for your input.
I understand the freedom people have here to use their up vote/down vote power as they see fit. But there is something called self-censorship resulting from the anticipation of negative consequences. There is a lot of stuff that is not in this Blockchain simply because people prefer to avoid posting on certain topics or saying certain things lest they be flagged, downvoted or blacklisted.
I think that the downvote option has that power and it has been misused.
Time will tell, I guess. I know these wars do not last forever, but like the wars in the real world, they come back quite often, as if no lesson was ever learned. In between there is the collateral damage and the "adjustments" people try to make to hope they won't find themselves in a crossfire. That fear itself bears the seed of censorship.

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I couldn't disagree with this more. Nothing is censored here, the blockchain is immutable. The content might not appear on a particular front end, but it remains on the blockchain. And "not supposed to be personal" appears nowhere in the Hive blockchain's code. People can and do apply stake-based votes as they see fit. Sure, there may be social pressures one way or another. But how people are "supposed" to vote here is not carved in stone, or explicit in the software.

There is Abuse, and that extends to canceling out rewards. That you can't see how that is driving people away and never towards, is your shortcoming, just the same as all who similarly can't recognize something so integral to a moral standard as abuse and seek instead to disregard and or defend it, and all the while society and community are meaningless in abject absence of any code of conduct. You can preach about there's no censorship on here as if that is some kind of Selling Point that's gonna convince anyone to come to a place that considers spam and abuse, as freedom of expression.

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verb
express severe disapproval of (someone or something), especially in a formal statement.
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noun
the expression of formal disapproval.
"angry delegates offered a resolution of censure against the offenders"
synonyms: condemnation, criticism, attack, abuse, revilement, disapproval, reprimand, rebuke, admonishment, admonition, reproof, reproval, upbraiding, castigation, berating, denunciation, reproach, scolding, chiding, reprehension, obloquy, vituperation, excoriation, objurgatiopdf

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1877050921024467/pdf?md5=edc91a84b8934538d93de7f4ff6a84e5&pid=1-s2.0-S1877050921024467-main.pdf

Since Abusive Downvoting isn't mitigated, and can't be mitigated since "code is law" and Code Allows for Abusive Downvoting with impunity/no consequences, as absolute freedom same as Spam and other Abuse, and Code has purported that Might makes Right, albeit it was done so to mitigate Sybil Attacks, as the larger the stake the more share of the distribution, yet with no mechanism to mitigate Abuse and especially to mitigate Abusive Downvotes, much like Spam and Harassment, the whole "censorship proof" is no different than claiming than you're free to express yourself just as everybody is free to abuse and harass, AND in turn, spam, abuse and abusive Downvoting all function as payola by the abusers, because freedom.

Talk about insulting and degrading, the abusers are literally the gatekeepers and despite the effort of curtailing self aggregating behavior which is clearly recognized as abusive, like self voting, no similar Code Changes have been made to mitigate Downvoting, Spam and Harassment. Many have left, the problem has always been that with absolute freedom comes absolute abuse, this has expressed itself in numerous ways, even an influx of scammers, but Bastion of Freedom, Social Reach Network, it hasn't even registered anywhere Meaningful.

https://dreamlight.com/12-social-media-platforms-that-honor-freedom-of-speech-and-user-privacy/

https://indianexpress.com/article/technology/social/here-are-the-alternate-free-speech-apps-that-are-taking-parlers-place-7145058htm

https://www.techtimes.com/articles/255809/20210111/best-parler-alternatives-mewe-vs-gab-rumble-free-speech-apps.htm

Good luck with finding Hive or Steem anywhere:

https://www.google.com/search?q=best%20free%20speech%20platforms

Maybe on the 17th page..

I expect nothing to change without fundamental changes.

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