Incoming change of the HBD rewards ? My POV

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Hello, you might have seen that the past hours the HBD rewards was changing from 20 to 19 then 19 to 20 again and again.

This is because the witness top 20 are slowly changing to lower HBD rate :

This might lead the HBD rate to go down a little in the short term and maybe a lot on the long term, what is your though about how much per cent reward should HBD give ?

If you think it should stay at 20% or go higher, i don't have the same opinion.
Let me explain why, Yes it bring money to hive but it create "inactive" money on hive, it's cool to have people invest 100$ in hive, but if then they turn it into HBD put into saving and will eventually withdraw all of it without ever getting a single "real" hive transaction (votes, post, ect). It reward the inactivity more than the activity, the money in hive power get around 12% apr (10% voting + 3% bonus) and the inactive one get 20%. This ain't fair therefore the HivePower rewards should be higher (wouldn't be good) or decrease the HBD rate. The active one should earn more than the inactive one. Since the active on rewards other authors and keep a user active. The passive one mainly just increase the money one users have without rewarding any other author + a double penality is given to the active one cause the inflation on the hive token pays for the HBD. Some cool effects lowering the HBD apr would be that some more traditional finance people won't imediatley think hive 20% apr is a scam, having a more active chain since the activer you are the bigger your reward are, getting more HP delegated to projects because the one who keept there HP inactive might want the new highest payout and would maybe start delegating HP to project so it would maybe help projects on hive to build quicker.

This topics, bring out a few other probleme of hive. Voting rewards, if the major part of the hive are used actively to vote for post it's pretty sure the biggest curation trail get the biggest part of the chain HP. Giving them the power to choose what will work or never work out.
Maybe having big whale will cause harm to hive one day but in the meantime we still should lower the HBD rate.

A "long" time ago, i made a pool post about the HBD rate and an argument used by some people in the comment was : "if i bought HBD it's for the 20%, othervise i will sell" well that's the whole reason why 20% is too much. If i grow using the 20% as main argument it will need to growth quick enough for these 20% not to harm the price too much because surprise but there is no free money the HBD rate is payed by inflation. So one day will come where hive have too much HBD and not enough new HBD and will have to lower the rewards of HBD and then all the people who just bought HBD for the rewards and not actually for hive will sell out (in 90% of the case) and It's gonna hurt hive therefor let's just stop the possible harm before it happen.

I changed my witnesses votes to lower the %, my single vote won't change much but if you wish set me as a proxy and we will eventually lower the %, if you wish i will make a post explaining all my witness votes in the future : )

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oh Boy, I love the HBD savings APR, but anyways you've got a solid point. We want a better future for our precious Hive, if it means lowering the HBD rates. Then let's go for it

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Furthere more than we can still make high apr without harming hive future

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In my opinion 20% is a little too much. Maybe 10-15% would be better to balance short and long term. More than 20% would probably cause more long term limits.

To play Devil's advocate though: I don't like the "fairness" argument. "Fairness" is way too subjective and a better subjective value for markets is supply and demand.

Not every investor has to buy or use the product they invest in. I really don't see the value of trying to discourage someone from locking a large amount of HBD into their savings when you've already accomplished the hard task of getting them to invest in HBD in the first place.

the money in hive power get around 12% apr (10% voting + 3% bonus) and the inactive one get 20%. This ain't fair therefore the HivePower rewards should be higher (wouldn't be good) or decrease the HBD rate.

The HBD they lock in to their savings is pegged. The vote value you have is in Hive and that fluctuates. You are arguing "fairness" when it's about risk. You might be comfortable thinking Hive will be more valuable in a few years. You might be right and I would agree that Hive will likely be worth far more in a few years. That's why I don't lock my Hive as HBD. If I didn't think that was going to be the case or was risk adverse I would want to opt for the 20% certainty. If Hive suddenly spikes in value then the gain the user didn't realize by holding HBD in savings rather than Hive is the penalty they pay. If Hive dramatically drops in value then the user would have the option of unlocking their pegged HBD and buying into the Hive dip.

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Hey, sorry for delay i though i answerewd. I do think the most risked of the two option should give a higher potential payout. Even more conisderating that the revenue from HBD is inflating the price of HivePower. So the safe invester make loose money to the more active one

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it's cool to have people invest 100$ in hive, but if then they turn it into HBD put into saving and will eventually withdraw all of it without ever getting a single "real" hive transaction (votes, post, ect).

Here's the real question: Do you believe Hive will be worth more or less than $0.40 in 2026?

Let's do a thought experiment. To keep it simple both HBD and Hive Power are "inactive" money. User A has $100 HBD in savings in 2024. User B has $100 Hive in Hive Power in 2024. Both are lazy and do no activity. HBD is 19% APR and Hive Power is 3.01% APR. Assume the witnesses don't change either rate over next two years.

User A would have $141.61 in savings by 2026. I had ChatGPT do the math:


Image source: ChatGPT

The current price of Hive is $0.296 so $100 Hive Power is 337.84 Hive Power. The "inactive" HP would be 358.14 HP in 2026.


Image source: ChatGPT

For both inactive HBD and HP to be equal in value in the year 2026 the price of Hive has to be $0.3957. If you believe Hive will be worth more than $0.40 in 2026 then you are better off holding Hive Power.


Image source: ChatGPT

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